Exactly. And it worked a Hell of a lot better than that sack of shit known as Obamacare.

The only people happy with this crap are the insurance companies who lobbied for it and bought the greedy lying Dems with $$$ so that they wouldn't have to bust their asses in trying to get customers like private businesses should be doing!

The only way that they can get people to buy their sacks of shit is if they get the government to force people to do it!

 

It can't be to bad, Ted Cruz has just signed up for it.

 

I think you're just fucking with me. You don't seem that stupid, on the whole.

 

From my view, it's working great. My friend who just went on disability because of diabetes complications and partial kidney failure was able to maintain coverage after he had too quit work. He has a plan that means if he goes in the hospital, he won't be on the street when he gets out.
The real problem with Obamacare is the extreme right is committed to destroying anything with Obama's name on it. They don't care if it works or not.
People lose insurance coverage all the time when they lose their job. Some plans have great rates, but have special deals with certain clinics and hospitals. It keeps costs down because of competition for business. You know, market economics. It's better than it was.

People who have to rely on ER for healthcare never get to choose their doctor.

 

so last night was looking at getting my wife on obamacare as i was going to drop the coverage i have at work as it cost me $4500 a year i was going to use my VA coverage and get wife on covered ca. where it will end up costing me 6800 just for her. Now could someone plz tell me how that is affordable?

 

You are easy to please. Did you enroll in ACA? Was the cost more or less than your previous policy?

 

Some people are impossible to please. So far, the criticism I see is mostly, "It's not perfect, so it must be destroyed."
I have paid for private insurance for the past 12 years. Every year the premium has increased. This started long before anyone ever heard of Obamacare. I have switched to policies with higher deductibles in order to reduce the premiums.

ACA is not an insurance policy. You buy a policy from an insurance company just like anyone else who doesn't have a plan through their employer. Once the plan is purchased, it works like any other health insurance plan in the world. The ACA provides subsidies to people who are not covered by Medicaid in their state and whose income is low enough to qualify. The customer pays their share and the insurance company files for the subsidy. Sounds terrible, doesn't it?

I am 58 years old and have several friends my age who have fallen into that trap sprung by our current Republican governor. They can't work like they once could and have exhausted all savings. They do not qualify for Medicaid and are two young for Medicare. The ACA has given them a chance to buy a policy which will allow them to seek medical care before it becomes an emergency room crisis. There is a deductible, just like any policy and they pay a premium, every month.

If you go back in time to when Social Security was a new idea, and later when Medicare was new, you would hear the same bullshit from the same people about socialism and socialized medicine. There was the same whining about "not being able to choose your own doctor." The people who needed Medicare didn't care about choosing a doctor, they just wanted a doctor. Anybody who could afford a doctor, could choose any doctor they wanted, but Medicare, and the ACA are not intended for them.

One of the reasons healthcare in this country is so expensive is because we all share the cost of keeping the uninsured alive when they show up at the emergency room for minor problems and when they are carried in with a near critical condition. The ER closest to me will shut down in 5 days because the hospital cannot continue to lose $2million a month on it's operation. That's reality. Another reality is that the people who want to kill Obamacare want to continue this insane policy which drives up healthcare costs and delivers care which is either too little or too late, at the highest possible cost.

 

That must be one hell of a policy. I checked the Kaiser subsidy calculator for a person making $20k a year and found this:
stimated financial help:
$132 per month ($1,589 per year)
as a premium tax credit. This covers 61% of the monthly costs.
Your cost for a silver plan:
$84 per month ($1,002 per year)
in premiums (which equals 5.01% of your household income).
The most you have to pay for a silver plan:
5.01% of income for the second-lowest cost silver plan
Without financial help, your silver plan would cost:
$216 per month ($2,592 per year)

 

Okay, now go back and look what an insurance policy would cost her without ACA or without the employer sponsored policy where she only pays a percentage of the fee and see how you like it.
Many were paying over $1000 per month for single coverage. I was one of them. People have never understood the hardship of providing their own health insurance until they feel the bite themselves.

Welcome to the real world. It's tough.

 

I don't think anyone is talking about going back to what we had. The good thing about the ACA it has opened a true dialogue about the need of affordable health care in this country. The bad thing about it, it was hastily written and pushed through the congress and senate without proper debate. If it had been debated, most if not all flaws in the bill would have been scrutinized and repaired.

Professor Gruber did not help matters with his condescending remarks about the passage of the bill. I think almost everybody agrees (maybe not publicly) the bill needs revision. Even O himself. For he was also mislead about portions of the bill. I have a hard time understanding why intelligent people can't admit they made mistakes, and join in with remedying the mistakes. It is high time we all strive for excellence. Make no mistake, working together we can do anything. We the people deserve more than mediocrity from our elected representatives.

 

Right. Too bad the Republicans stonewalled the process and refused to offer any input on affordable healthcare. Instead of rolling up their sleeves and digging in to help the hard working citizens of this great country, they hung their hats on making ACA fail. You know, fuck the people, we have an agenda to support.
So this is what we ended up with. Yes, it could be better but it's far better than what we had. Republicans have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

Whether or not that was the case I'm not really sure. Even if that was indeed the problem it really does not matter. It's still not too late to correct the flaws in the bill. We have to stop playing politics and do what is right. I certainly would not drive my car 2 quarts low on oil just because my favorite mechanic screwed up when he changed the oil. I'd take it back and ask him to check it again. Kind of a no brainer, why is a flawed piece of legislation any different? You deserve better!

 

The GOP campaign slogan for 2016 will be, "I'd rather be Republican, than President."

The Republicans are so committed to destroying Obamacare, their last candidate was forced to repudiate the idea, even though he put the same plan into effect for his state when he was governor. By election time, there will be millions of people who have insurance through ACA and millions more who see their friends and relatives finally have meaningful healthcare. The GOP can whine and carp all they want. You can't tell people that something is a disaster when they can see it working with their own eyes.

One of the advantages of being a middle aged white man is Republican candidates like to talk to me. Okay, not really an advantage, but whatever. Everyone of them pledged to repeal Obamacare and when I tried to pin them down about what they would put in it's place, not a single one had the vaguest answer. They all said, "It could be better," but could not say how.

The "Repeal Obamacare Now" mantra works fine at a Tea Party rally, but it won't play well for a general audience now that people have seen it work.

 

What does this have to do with the idea of putting aside politics and genuinely working together to repair a flawed piece of legislation? I'm not defending republicans or democrats. I want them to do what we pay them to do. Look out for all U.S. citizens best interests. I really don't think that is to much to ask.

 

I don't think it's too much to ask either. Why haven't the republicans worked together with the democrats to make ACA a better product? That's where I would direct my questions to, Tommie.

 

Apparently it is too much to ask, because people have been asking for this for a long time and we don't have it yet.

If you want consensus and compromise, vote for a consensus and compromise candidate. If you vote for a "Kill Obamacare" Republican, don't expect anything different from him. What do you expect him to do? He's not going to stand up one day and say, "I know I campaigned against ACA, but now that I've had a better look, I think we can modify the law to make it better for everyone."

 

As I said, I'm not defending either political party. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not basing my vote on one particular piece of legislation. That would be rather foolhardy on my part, don't you think?

 

"Compromise and consensus" is not one piece of legislation.

 

I take exception with your last couple of sentences. Yes I do expect honesty from my president. If he campaigned on a certain platform but later discovered he was misinformed or he did not have all the information at his disposal, I would hope he had the intelligence to admit he was wrong. We have to as citizens, all of us, demand honesty from our representatives. Especially the president. We have to stop falling for the manipulation we are subjected to. What the hell is so hard about saying you were mistaken, and you'll work to correct the mistake?

 

I want sprinkles on my ice cream cone.
Campaign contributions, especially the larger ones come with the understanding the candidate will promote the contributor's agenda. There is always another election to fund.

If a Congressman says, "I campaigned against abortion, but now I see the government has no business interfering in a woman's life, so I now support her right to choose," he loses all support from the religious right.

If he says, "I know I campaigned against tax increases, but now I see we have a system which burdens the poorest segment of the population and allows the wealthy to escape taxes, so I am now in favor of a progressive tax rate," he loses Grover Norquist.

That is why it is so hard to say you are mistaken. The list goes on and on.